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Old 09-10-2007, 12:53 PM
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Throwing two more cents in the pot

After some research, under Massachusetts law (even if all she did was agree to spank the man for a fee) Katie would be guilty for breaking a law doing even the bit that she (or rather, Jake) admitted to. Some links of interest.

Note that the statute says 'for a fee' , which is what makes it illegal (along with all of the other tax/zoning/business laws for operating a business, sex oriented at that, out of one's home)

The statute itself under which she was obviously arrested.

http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/272-53a.htm

It says: Section 53A. (a) Whoever engages, agrees to engage, or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee, or whoever pays, agrees to pay, or offers to pay another person to engage in sexual conduct, or to agree to engage in sexual conduct with another natural person, shall be punished by imprisonment in the house of correction for not more than 1 year or by a fine of not more than $500 or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

And then, the state of Massachusetts definition of "sexual conduct" --

http://archives.lib.state.ma.us:8080...88Acts0226.txt

"Sexual conduct", human masturbation, sexual intercourse, actual or simulated, normal or perverted, any lewd exhibitions of the genitals, flagellation or torture in the context of a sexual relationship, any lewd touching of the genitals, pubic areas, or buttocks of the human male or female, or the breasts of the female, whether alone or between members of the same or opposite sex or between humans and animals, and any depiction or representation of excretory functions in the context of a sexual relationship. Sexual intercourse is simulated when it depicts explicit sexual intercourse which gives the appearance of the consummation of sexual intercourse, normal or perverted.

Kara Rogers, writing under the Web pseudonym “Miss Gorgeous,” allegedly informed Fong she is paid $175 a half hour for virtually everything, including “spanking, role play, bondage, tease, bondage and toys.”

A full hour of torture was $250, and an extra $50 earned a customer extra benefits, according to Fong.
(Boston Herald Police Bureau Chief
Tuesday, August 28, 2007)

It seems the key is that money must be paid, or agreed to be paid, for these things to be done in a sexual context. These things between consenting individuals as part of a relationship is not mentioned. Just like giving sex away is not a crime, but receiving/offering money for it is.

Interesting enough, I did a search for BDSM clubs in Boston and found ones that seem to be legal. So, apparently, one *can* indeed charge for services when operating within the law. After researching license laws for adult oriented businesses in the Boston area, they are indeed subject to zoning and licensing regulations.

Just like any other business.

sarah

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Old 09-10-2007, 08:00 PM
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Aside from the fact that katie spades getting busted just makes me laugh...I have to say that I'd be less than pleased if someone in my apartment building was buzzing in strangers (they met on craigslist no less) and allowing a stream of people into the building. That really compromises the security of your building. I mean who knows who you are letting in. Katie sure didn't, since she let in a cop!

Then there's the noise, etc. Spanking and BDSM activities don't tend to be quiet.
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:09 AM
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Hey all,
I have not posted on this board before. So Hi. Anyway, I am aware of all the lies Katie Spades used to manipulate people in the scene, and I realize she has a karmic smackdown coming to her. On the other hand, any time the law comes down on the kinksters, is it really a good thing? I mean, what about the professionals in the spanking scene, some of which are friends. There are those who find it difficult to get their spanking needs met and therefore seek out pros, both top and bottom. I would hate to see a crackdown on these people. Yes, it is Katie Spades. True she is a F$%# up. But still, I don't think an arrest of this nature is something to celebrate. Just my opinion.
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Katie is a sweet person. I am sorry to hear about her legal problems.
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Old 09-13-2007, 04:33 PM
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I'm so happy we've got such an upstanding and well-spoken member of our community to represent us to the mainstream populion.


If anyone wants to hear first hand how she got into spanking because she knew she could jump to the top of the industry and make lots of money because our other models aren't attractive, it's episode 25 in Amber's link above, then continued into episodes 26 and 27. Beware though, you may want to take a few grains of salt before downloading the clips.

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Old 09-14-2007, 11:21 AM
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We certainly fall into the camp that says karma just gave Katie/Kara/etc one heck of a spanking... and, of course, we all know the former 'Princess of Spanking' doesn't like spanking.
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She admits that she set out*with a calculated plan to extract money from the spanko community with lies and deceit.* That with her*'gorgeous' looks (when compared to others in the industry) and knowledge of spanking from research... along with immersing herself into the community under false pretenses (pretending to be a spanko)... she'd become a star and make "tons of money."
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She further elaborates that Jake was initially against the idea... until he saw the money to be made.* And that they both agreed this was a better way to make a buck than porn.* That she had to be*"wasted" to actually do the spanking... what she says... apparently wasn't enough of a negative to push porn to the top of the money making list of ideas.
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When she decided to exit the spanking community... she did so by asking for $650,000 for her life threatening illnesses (through her 'Save Katie' site).* And she did ask.* She directly solicited us, asking that we help put the word out (through our blog) that she desperately needed help.
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Of course, she did this while also slamming the spanking community in the media, and bragging about her the cleverness of her scheme.
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When all this came to a head, we did cut Katie somewhat of a break in our beer.com interview with her.* We figured she was young, and she was exiting the scene anyway... so, no money for her scam donation site of course... but, good luck in life.
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Turns out, she wasn't all that young... and she wasn't exiting the scene at all.* INSTEAD, she had a new way to scam money from spankos.* And yes, it was a scam.* Does anyone believe for a second she was even semi-honest with her clients?* That she was upfront about her experience as a disciplinarian?* That she told them how disgusting she thought spanking marks were?* That she shared her feelings about spanking and spankos?
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The professional disciplinarians we know are real spankos. Their profession grew out of a real interest in spanking. It was something they'd long thought about... then started to try... then do... then realized they were ~good at it~ and a living could be made. It wasn't just another scam... in a long stream of scams... to make money.

Zero sympathy for Katie. She got what she deserved.

As for the angle that what happened to Katie is bad for spankos... because we shouldn't ever be happy about the law getting involved with spanking... we completely disagree with that.

The police are saying Katie was offering "virtually everything"... and for $50 more, she'd give "benefits" beyond that virtually everything. She was offering sex along with the spanking, which makes her a prostitute. She was doing this on Craig's List (at least) and working out of her residential apartment.

Would anyone want that next door to them?

The black eye Katie gives spanking comes from the fact that she is somehow seen as a spanko. If she were dismissed as the lying, manipulative, money hungry whore she is... it would be better for the community. She's busted for hooking off of Craig's List... the only thing bad about that, is when spankos say the arrest is bad for spankos (because it pretends Katie is one of us).

That's our opinion anyway.


Here is a link to some of our posts about Katie, including our beer.com interview with her...

http://associety.blogspot.com/2007/0...-spanking.html
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Old 09-14-2007, 03:11 PM
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Being new to the community and thankfully never had the unpleasure of dealing with her I was not going to post. But it does concern me of how the whole thing is being spun in the media, and what laws it may impact in regards to CP and the laws. I know there are some good groups out there such as Amature, the Spanking Couple, Dallas to name a few that will pay for models to do shoots. Will this pay infact become prostitution because of something like the way the Spades case may go, or even influance just general public view on D/D or BDSM life styles? These are things that concern me about this whole thing.
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Old 09-14-2007, 09:10 PM
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Alright.

It's my two cents worth on it.

Katie Spades HAS screwed up.

And don't get me wrong, I do not condone most of the things that she did, but I think that the spanking community is just way to hateful in the way that they are taking this arest deal.

I'm not defending her, by no doubt.

But, just because she bashed our community does not make her a horrible person. It makes her ignorant and unaccepting, but it gives us no reason to cast stones, especially when most of us live in a glass house.

We cannot point fingers at Katie and Jake for making money off 'bondage' 'roleplay' and anything 'scene related' because there are many people in our world that our paid Mistresses.

The only thing that we CAN frown upon is that there might have been soliciotation of sex, which, isn't really any of our buisness anyway is it?

Lets cut the people some breaks and stop talking about them. They seem to be having a hard enough time without knowing that there is a whole community of people who are angry at them.
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Old 09-15-2007, 02:25 AM
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EmmyDoll... Katie got a lot of love from us. We gladly helped promote her career, based in good part on the personal relationship she'd developed with us through Emails and chats. She was a true spanko, afterall... that had the same mindset we did.

Turns out she not only lied to us... but, she mocked us after the fact... while ALSO, at the same time... asking us to help her raise $650,000 for medical bills (she asked us for money directly, and asked us to also solicit others in her behalf). Keep in mind, she was making around $400 an hour!

So, we did take it a little personally... as did others that received similar treatment (such as "unattractive" spanking models).

Hate is too strong of a word though. She was arrested for something rather minor... and likely faces a fine and some legal costs. It's not like folks are dancing on her grave. She'll be fine in this life... most especially if her lazy ass gets a j-o-b and gives up these get rich quick scams.

As for this "glass houses" stuff... hmmm... we don't offer to give blow jobs on Craig's List. If it's shown that Katie actually didn't do that, and this REALLY is ~just about spanking~... you'll have a point. As is, we'll lay 10 to 1 that she pleas out and takes her slap on the wrist.

Finally, is any of this our business? Well, she did participate in the spanking community in a very-very public way. She went to extremes to be seen and heard and known (including her appearance as 'The Princess of Spanking' on the Howard Stern Show). Then when she supposedly exited the scene... she again did so in a very public way (going on beer.com and mocking and blasting the community). She WANTED to be a big fish in a little pond. Mission accomplished there. Unfortunately (for her)... people tend to notice when a big fish is hooked (or hookered, as the case may be).

four cents there,
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Old 09-15-2007, 09:41 AM
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I'm so happy we've got such an upstanding and well-spoken member of our community to represent us to the mainstream populion.


If anyone wants to hear first hand how she got into spanking because she knew she could jump to the top of the industry and make lots of money because our other models aren't attractive, it's episode 25 in Amber's link above, then continued into episodes 26 and 27. Beware though, you may want to take a few grains of salt before downloading the clips.
I think that Katie just needs a good spanking. I have never felt betrayed by Katie. She provided many videos, a lot of which her and Jake offered free of charge.
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