I dont know if any of you guys have experienced this but, A few months ago I hooked up with some people into the the bdsm scene and we were just exchanging some chit -chat..I got the feeling as if they did not take my branch of the life style serious ...........They were speaking of having all those slaves and collering people......I told them for the most part the corporal punishment world is a little looser but still with rigid rules...I said that in corporal traditional spanking does not invlove restraints and all those ropes and clamps ....and they had the nerve to get offended at me ..........Long live corporal where control starts between the ears not at the end of a crop.